Sunday, March 20, 2022

Self's Question

Bill Self told me he interviewed Dr. William Rawls, the doctor who first examined Valentino in the hospital. I did not ask Self when that interview took place but I imagined it would have been in the 1950's or thereabouts.

Self told me that Rawls said they knew Rudy was a dead man when he arrived. This was because his abdominal muscles had a board like rigidity. This was a symptom of advanced peritonitis and when this symptom manifested, there was no turning the patient around.

A great deal is made that this all took place on a Sunday with the premise being that Valentino did not receive proper and prompt care because of this. I do not think this would have changed much for him at all, because of Dr. Rawls assessment.

I found it interesting Self interviewed Dr. Rawls. Maybe he thought Rawls kept some tissue samples. Sorry to be so direct, but when I told Self I was going to New York to go to Campbell's Funeral Home, he said to ask them if they had any photographs of Valentino while he was being embalmed. I guess he meant corpse snapshots of the procedure?

That freaked me out to be honest. I do not know if Self ever found what he was looking for and I did not ask about that at Campbell's. I would never. 

But Rawls did say it did not matter if it was a Sunday or not, dear Valentino would never have made it.

I think there is something so ghoulish about collecting in that regard. Does not take a rocket scientist to see that.

I prefer to think of Valentino alive.


22 comments:

  1. Self’s repulsive question lays bare what his lifelong Valentino collection project was really all about. It was necrophilia, plain and simple. I will lay you odds that he moved heaven and earth to obtain a viewing or two of Valentino’s open crypt.

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    1. How unaware I was of the situation when I told him I discovered Valentino's "shipping case" or sarcophagus. That was swooped in a fast second. A coffin. What was I thinking?

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    2. What does one do with a sarcophagus?! Use it as a coffee table? Put it on the back porch? In the garage? Please help me understand the mindset of a collector.

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    3. I think they resell it at a profit.

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    4. That then beggars the question: what does the person who purchases it from the collector do with it? It's all so creepy to me.

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  2. I can imagine Self trembling and perspiring as he gingerly asked Evelyn the question. Surely, he must have realized how ghoulish the query made him appear?

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    1. I told him I had an appointment with the archivist there to see their Valentino files. That was when he asked me and I do not remember if he asked me gingerly. But he was a very soft-spoken man anyway. But I carried that question with me throughout the years.

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  3. They open Valentino's crypt?

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    1. I do not want to think that is possible.

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    2. I would be outraged with that if I was family.

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    3. That is pretty much out of my realm of belief. I am sure it has not be done and if it ever was no one would ever know. imo

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    4. I hope not either but I do not think whoever looks after the crypt would be let that happen.

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  4. Does Mr. Self's family still own a part of his vast collection or was it all put on the auction block?

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    1. I do not know. I interviewed him for one year and then he told me Jeanine Villalobos told him not to speak to me again. He said she was writing a biography of Valentino herself and wanted to have an exclusive relationship with him. He was sad visibly to say that to me because we had a friendly relationship and his wife said she was happy I came to see him because he needed someone to talk to about Valentino. I found that odd because I imagined he had many people to talk with. As cagey as he was with info, etc. he was always polite and friendly. When I started looking for those missing court records, the Valentino family shut him down.

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    2. That family is so strange, indeed! I feel a little bad for saying that as I hate to be disrespectful to Rudy by saying such things. Is everyone just supposed to think that they are normal when we hear about them covering up facts and stealing documents??? Is that normal to take Michael Morris’ documents and refuse to return them? It’s not normal and anyone who would do such a thing is trying to cover up the truth. Dahhhhhh! So obvious!

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  5. I guess Dr. Rawls' diagnosis undercuts the theory that Valentino died of alcohol poisoning.

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  6. Maybe Bill Self wanted to confirm or debunk The poisoning theory regarding Rudy's death. Just a thought... Otherwise I cant think of any reason for asking for such a thing, unless he was planning on cloning Him, which might not be such a bad idea after all😀

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  7. According to Valentino's surgeon, Dr. Harold Meeker, in a medical report to George Ullman discovered by Ms. Zumaya, it is very obvious what killed Valentino. It is graphic and leaves no doubt that Valentino was not going to survive. It's all in Affairs Valentino.

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    1. Yes, indeed I have read "Affairs Valentino", but as I've written on a previous post, I personally cannot rule out The poisoning theory 100%.The fact that Rudy hâd ulcer didnt mean that he was going to die from it and this fact does not exclude The poisoning theory (it seems to me there are some lies and incongruences în the testimonies of The witnesses regarding The fateful Night) . But this, as I saidbefore, îs my personal belief or gut feeling.

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    2. I think Jeanne de Recqueville put the poisoning rumors to bed by publishing the lengthy letter from Dr. Howard Meeker. He wrote that Rudy had been very ill for some time. Also those photos I posted here a while back taken at the time, he was very thin. I also think a conspiracy to cover up a poisoning would have been impossible with nurses, doctors and a hospital all in on it? I think they were all responsible professionals and told the truth. Renato believes the underlying condition of syphilis is certainly something to consider.

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    3. Valentino died of perontinitis, not an ulcer. The lining of the walls of his stomach and abdomen were swollen and inflamed. He had a hole in his stomach that was infected. His appendix was also infected. The surgeons did what they could, but there were no antibiotics at the time to combat infection. Perontinitis can be deadly today, if not treated. Valentino's stomach problems were noted 5 years before he died. I don't disagree that there were incongruities in everyone's stories as to what exactly Valentino was doing before he went to the hospital, but no one gave any testimony under oath, therefore, no one was under any obligation to be truthful. I'm sure everyone was trying to protect themselves, protect Valentino, or some of them probably even inserted themselves into the drama when they played no part in it at all. I tend to fall on the side of the doctors' report before I believe the tales of some random party goers.

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    4. Yes. Well said. I think it was Martin Scorcese who said that people tend to imbue the death of celebrities with more meaning. It is hard for people to believe an idol could die an ordinary death. I really looked into the poisoning possibilities back in 2003-2004 and was convinced early on it was a death that did not come about in short while. The gangrene found, took a good while to progress to that point.

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