Wednesday, March 16, 2022

Kabar's Grave

It seems a comment or two or three or ten were fired off my way with the claim,

Didn't Simon Constable's research finally lead to tracking down Kabar's burial place to be at Los Angeles Pet Memorial Park Cemetery, Calabasis, CA?

This was followed by restatements that I should give him credit for his “sleuthing” the location, etc. I replied that was ridiculous as it is a part of the Valentino legend and has been known about for a very long time.

I checked that and the subject of Kabar's grave and the Calabasas pet cemetery has actually been public since, February 3, 1929. This article appeared as a full page feature in the New York Daily News:


It is pointless to list every citation of Kabar's grave's location after this through the years as there are innumerable reports. In 1931, Screen Play Magazine did an article on the pet cemetery and reported on Kabar's grave. In 1935, the photo below of the child at Kabar's grave was in the news. The comments were sent to me as anonymous, so I can not address the person directly....but for the record the many articles about the pet cemetery always include notice of Kabar's grave. It was not Constable's sleuthing or “research”, and not his discovery by a long, long ways.


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  1. These masters of the “scoop” are discoverers of warm water. Warm water that was heated by others well before their “discovery.”

    This reminds me of schoolchildren who, once learning to write, declare to the world that they have discovered the alphabet. I see these Valentino Studies groups, as groups of stubborn schoolchildren hanging blindly on the every word of a parish priest long before the Lutheran reform.

    I would tell them to wake up and soon, otherwise they will be overwhelmed definitively by their foolish and stubborn ignorance. I say they should open the windows wide, let out the heavy air of ignorance intoxicating them, let in some gusts of fresh air and the sunlight of truth which might enlighten their minds, truth as it is documented by serious and above all, honest researchers.

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  2. So Constable is clinging to relevance with the false claim that he expertly pinpointed Kabar’s burial site? And that by sharing this information he altered the landscape of Valentino Studies? What am I missing here? He outlived Valentino by almost three years and therefore did not die of a broken heart. I am much more interested in the relations Valentino had with human beings.

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  3. Since this photo has made the rounds on the Facebook forums once every 12 weeks for the past 10 years, rest assured Sir SC did not unearth the location of Kabar's grave out of the mystic beyond. I can't recall who it was, but there was once a termagant who frequented the forums who claimed SHE discovered who the little girl happened to be, as if everyone else did not know how to do a simple newspaper search.

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  4. One thing that I learned the hard way on both MAtB and WNF is that only the "research" of certain members of the "elite" in the Valentino Studies Community is welcomed and accepted.
    I once shared an old news clipping I had come across about the Valentinos making a visit in Wichita, KS (my hometown) during the Mineralava Tour. I was enthusiastic to share something that I had come across concerning a connection of Rudy and Natascha with my hometown of Wichita.
    I was met with disdain and told by two of them that there had recently been postings by other members about the Mineralava tour and that I should basically "get with the program" and that there was nothing new in my post.
    I felt demeaned and humiliated and pulled back from both groups. I guess if my name was Terhune, Hill, Gribbin, Constable, O'Bannon or one of the other bigwigs I would have been hailed as having made a new discovery.

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    1. To 3:25 you did good to leave,they are obsessed with their fantasies of Valentino that they do want to share with anyone else,hailing themselves as experts. Leave them alone in their little bubble.

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  5. This just in: Valentino scholar Etienne with an assist from Terhune and Hill, has conducted a colloquy about his latest contribution to Valentino studies on We Never Forget. Being the discerning scholar that he is, Etienne posted an autographed photo of Valentino and observed of Valentino’s signature that “what makes this one a bit unusual is that there is a break between the “o” in “Valentino” and the downward loop that begins after it’s formation. The underline swirl underscore usually is continuous from the “o”. The Terhune/Hill brain trust rushed in to apply expertise to this high stakes conundrum. After a scholarly back and forth that showed the rest of us how it’s done, Hill dazzled with the kind of definitive insight that can only come from decades of tireless research into Valentino’s life and times: “I suspect he lifted the pen.” This is research and analysis at the highest level folks! We can all sleep better at night knowing that Valentino and his legacy are in such capable hands. And Etienne, since you are certainly reading this, it is utterly amazing how your English has improved. As a native French speaker, you struggled with English when you paid your brief visits on this blog. Look at you now, trotting out phrases like “The underline swirl underscore usually is continuous from the “o.” Unless, of course, you and Simon Constable are one and the same. Poor old dog up to his old tricks, fooling no one.

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    1. Its hard not to be incredibly cynical reading that. While the Terhune/Hill "brain trust" rush in on that picayune issue, they say nothing about Bret's daily dose of death references to Renato and I. Etienne - Bret or Constable or both? How did Bret know to tweet about a comment from Etienne hours before I even approved it?

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    2. Because Constable kneels down before Bret and has a direct line to him. Simple.

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    3. A dictionary definition of the noun 'dupe' reads: "a person who unquestioningly or unwittingly serves a cause or another person."
      If ever there was a dupe on MAtB or WNF it is Monsieur Etienne. When we encountered him earlier on MAtB, Etienne was being chastised by Madame Gribbin for mentioning the name of Ms. Zumaya. Properly set straight, Etienne hangs his head in shame for mentioning the name Zumaya.
      Here now Etienne posts such an important topic as the break in Valentino's ink on an autograph. Immediately, the loathsome duo Terhune and Hill insert themselves into Etienne's discussion.
      How is it that Etienne and his occasional posts deserve such immediate attention from Terhune, Hill and Gribbin? Simple. He is a 'dupe' "who unquestioningly serves the cause" of these three.

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    4. Wow! What an incredible discovery made by Etienne trying to sound like a scholar, as if.

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    5. Something tells me that Etienne's intellect is not even close to average since he is content to be a patsy of the Big Three.

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    6. The tension on this one was practically unbearable. The break in the "o" in Valentino was an unsolved mystery for decades. What did it all mean? Was Valentino trying to tell us something? Was the signature even Valentino's? The brightest minds were never been able to decipher this riddle, until Etienne, Terhune, and Hill - all PHds in the VSC - finally put their noggins together and decoded the significance of the "o break:" Valentino lifted his pen. Whew! I can only hope the Nobel Prize Committee is on alert.

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    7. Etienne's buddy Pascal Deveaux, along with about a dozen other VSC "scholars", has given a thumbs up to the Terhune/Hill/Etienne investigative study. It must do Etienne's heart good to see his fellow Frenchman and bestie learning something important.

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    8. Sacre Bleu!!

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    9. What a fabulous thread on the skipping fountain pen of Valentino! Has there even been such a brilliant cast of characters assembled on a Facebook thread?

      We have:

      Etienne who prefers to be called "Stephen" presenting the conundrum.

      Lord Terhune responding about the turn of Valentino's hand

      Terhune's ghostwriter Donna Hill with her pen lifting suspicions

      Pascal Deveaux, formerly known as Andre Devan, expressing "their" approval.

      and last, but certainly not least, Eleanor Gribbin appears with thumb upraised for both the Terhune and Hill observations.

      Perhaps this topic, "the ink of Valentino", can be further explored at the next Cryptfest celebration in August.

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    10. Is Simon Constable now unable to use his name?

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    11. I think Constable may be persona non grata these days and not able to use his real name. It looks like he's using/used "Pascal Deveaux", "His Fame Still Lives" and "Andre Devan". Not sure if he is "Etienne" or if that is Bret...or perhaps both sharing one account as "Etienne".
      Having said that, why is Constable out of favor these days amongst some in the VSC?

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    12. But now the plot thickens. The Ink of Valentino is not only a fascinating subject, but it is also a multi-layered debate. Are we referring to the black Valentino Ink for those important, nuanced photo inscriptions or the green Valentino Ink used for writing checks? Hopefully, the Cryptfest will schedule various discussion group breaks to ponder the issue.

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    13. Well all the admins./VSC/Brain trust...seem to know who he is.

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    14. Sir SC made a melodramatic announcement of his departure (AGAIN!) from Facebook last December. Therefore, to retain the infinitesimal shred of dignity he has left, he must appear under various disguises. However, expect Sir SC to hit the comeback trail very soon and make a dramatic entrance back onto the Facebook stage under his real name. Will he attempt to wrestle his old position of moderator from O'Martin? Hope Madame Gribbin has her popcorn bucket filled!

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    15. Constable may well be the most tragic figure in the Valentino community. No one has over promised and under delivered more than he has. No one, not even the Golden Girls, sexually desire Valentino more than he does. The books, the radio show, the YouTube channel, the podcasts, the Ullman expose, all announced with the grandiosity of a potentate, never to come to fruition. Even more bizarre and sad are his compulsive exits and reentries to the forums. He announces the exits to summon protests from the faithful, but no one cares enough to persuade him to stay. But stay he does. And in actuality, he is more active than ever before because he posts under a multitude of identities. His Fame Still Lives, Andre Daven, Pascal Deveaux, Etienne Piscine. He is transparent and pathetic. It is unlikely that he will seek reinstatement of his second in command status on Gribbin’s forum. He made it plain that he believed he was settling, and he was never able to conceal the fact that he despises Gribbin. His real aim is to swim with the big fish, Terhune and Hill, on We Never Forget.

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    16. Martin chose the most unfortunate user profile image possible to represent herself as O'Bannon. How can anyone take her seriously? That O'Bannon profile pic. looks like the old girl is being propped up after one too many cocktails at the local Senior Center.

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    17. I would sadly agree that the O’Bannon profile photo is unfortunate at best, and perhaps even exploitative if the image, as appears likely, captured her while inebriated. Who does these things to people?

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  6. Terhune, Hill, Pascal, Etienne & Gribbin.....not a shred of human decency to be found amongst them.

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    1. I can scarcely disagree. All of those people find it ok to support Bret's death obsession, Terhune's running that hit blog where he provides a platform for Bret to attack us unendingly and find it aok for Donna Hill to shun all of our work while running Facebook groups which ban even the mention of our names. Horrible behavior and unwarranted. They all find it aok to ignore the vicious attacks over the years, the posting of lies about us online, the pining for our deaths and assaults on anyone supporting us and our work. "Decency" is not a word I would think of when they are even mentioned.

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  7. If you ever want to see something truly pathetic, check out photos that now extremely active Golden Girl Beverly Mason posted on MAtB on Oct. 11, 2021. These are closeups of a meet up between her and Sir Constable in London. The "blonde" and ruby red lipsticked Ms. Mason looks EXTREMELY delighted to have finally met Sir C after a year of being online friends...posting heart emojis all around. The coy and satisfied expression on Ms. Mason's face is priceless....Eleanor Gribbin eat your heart out!
    Too bad Sir C only has eyes for long gone Rudy.

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  8. I think Ms. Mason is one of the more intelligent members of the forums. Often her insights have contradicted those of Terhune, Gribbin, and Constable. She appears to speak her mind and does not consistently parrot the usual agenda of the forum leaders. I sense she has read Ms. Zumaya's books and agrees with much of the material. I don't put her in the category of the GGs.

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    1. Except that she belongs to those two groups.

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    2. She also appears to have had a parting of the ways with the awful Constable. I’d like to think it is because she has self respect and values her own voice, but of course, there is no way of knowing.

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    3. The only reason it "appears" that Mason has had a parting of the ways with Sir Constable is because he is not currently on MAtB using his real name. Those two fawn over each other as "fellow Brits" and exude a sense of superiority over the lowbrow Golden Girls

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  9. On another note, I just happened upon Bret's latest attack made today on Evelyn and Renato on Terhune's AFFAIRS VALENTINO site. There's no describing his petty nastiness.

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    1. He is 100% obsessed with us, has no life at all outside bullying us and Terhune/Hill find it just fine to let him bully us as much as he wants. I should say as much as "needs" to because he is addicted to his crap petty sad, and very tired rhetoric. What a pathetic life he leads. Renato had the perfect metaphor, that of a sad needy person waiting for a penny with hand outstretched... he can't wait for us to post or publish a book so he gets his fix. He is Terhune and Hill's pet monster.

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  10. Agree Evelyn! Bret has now has a new dialogue partner on AFFAIRS VALENTINO who signs himself/herself "Valentino Fan". Both are mean people. The two of them seem like they are enjoying their rolls in the mud together.

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    1. It must be on the record that whenever David Bret is "conversing" online with someone he is 100% just talking to himself. He has been doing it for years on end. Once he even pretended to be his own wife, then it was a neighbor... That is the most psychotic thing about David Bret. He has conversations with himself online. Chorus of cuckoo.

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    2. Every single line Bret writes about us stands as proof I am 100% correct in my above observation.

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    3. Bret's local police once told him he should stop advertising my books.

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    4. And I will be updating the website where I posted some of the legal documents in the defamation lawsuit I won against Bret. I am also thinking of publishing the entire case since all the documents are now public record.

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    5. It is so obvious!

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  11. Bret rants and raves that the Floris books are overpriced and badly written. He claims that they are banned from everywhere and should get an editor or something like that effect. He says such crazy things. How can anyone believe him is beyond me. Read a sample of one of his latest book , he is the one who should get an editor.

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    1. Yes, I think Bret's labeling a picture of Valentino's brother Alberto as "Andre Daven, Valentino's greatest love", etc. qualifies him in that respect. He lies for a living and lying is his lifestyle. The only places our books are banned is on Tracy Terhune and Donna Hill's Facebook groups. Otherwise they are doing just fine.

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    2. The Floris books are a sound investment for anyone wanting to know as much as humanly possible about Valentino. I have spent nearly $300 for all of them up to this point and I am so very happy that I have them.

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    3. Well thank you! That is so nice to read. Makes it all worthwhile.

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  12. Gribbin and Terhune can ban talk of Evelyn's and Renato's books on their dinky little forums, but they forget people can think for themselves. Actually, I first bought Affairs Valentino BECAUSE Tracy Terhune opposed it. NO ONE tells me what to read. I found out for myself Evelyn's research is first rate. So, thanks, Mr. Terhune!

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  13. I second the motion.

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  14. My Affairs Valentino discovery story is very similar to the one above. Terhune’s appalling foaming at the mouth about the book prompted me to view Zumaya’s presentation on Valentino at the Turin conference. I was very impressed with the fact that this woman had unearthed the Ullman memoir. I was also impressed with her rational and persuasive presentation. In essence, I saw and heard what Michael Morris saw and heard in her. Intrigued, I purchased the book and was unable to put it down. I cannot be alone in having discovered Zumaya as a consequence of Terhune’s censoring campaign. I’ll say it again, Terhune is a colossal horse’s ass.

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    1. When an intellectual lightweight like Tracy Ryan Terhune opposes a book like Affairs Valentino, it's usually based on subjective feelings and not rationality. To examine a researched book and it's contents requires critical thinking skills. I don't believe Terhune has been gifted with those skills.
      He simply feels hate for something with his limited capabilities....and so it must be "fact" in his worldview.

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    2. Michael Morris’ opinion on matters pertaining to Valentino is very meaningful to me. On the other hand, Terhune’s opinion is of no interest and has no value. Terhune seems to believe that because he hoards minor Valentino relics and interned at Disneyland, he has credentials.

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    3. Thank you. Michael was so instrumental in many aspects of my Affairs Valentino research. He sponsored my trip to Turin, was adamant I deliver that speech and introduced Renato and I. He also introduced me to Bill Self and was a constant mentor or confidant throughout. We shared two agents and one of them wanted me to write a shorter version of Affairs Valentino. I did. When Michael read that he told me to stick with the longer version and not to even think of shortening it by one word. I am grateful to him for that. He came within a couple of months of finishing his Beyond Valentino.... I was honored to be able to finish it for him.

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    4. I was also honored I was given legal custody of Michael's archive. Meant a great deal to me.

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    5. Thankfully, Ms. Zumaya is in possession of Fr. Morris' archive and it didn't fall into the greedy clutches of Valentino collectors.

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    6. Yes. Michael's archive is safe and organized and most of it has been scanned for an online archive. I will see that it is housed and available to the public. It is sad that a portion of his archive is still missing as he loaned it to the Valentino family and despite his desperate pleas for the materials to be returned, they never were. I would still invite them to do so and make Michael's archive complete. I am sure if it did fall into the hands of collectors, it would have been edited and any materials which did not support that idiotic narrative would be destroyed or sold off into oblivion.

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    7. Now that they will be archived it will be difficult for the collectors to get their hands on the documents. Looks like the cultists have been defeated on that. Not good news for the family however. It is sad that some portions of Rudy's story is missing but as Evelyn wrote we know enough. The True Rudolph Valentino will not stay hidden.

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