Monday, February 21, 2022

Rudolph Valentino & The Andre Daven Hoax

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  1. Daven stole $30,000 from Valentino and tried to thieve even more from Valentino’s friends. This incensed and offended Valentino, and he did not keep this to himself. These facts are documented in Valentino’s own words, by his own hand. Case closed on the “genuine love affair” Ms. Dark Lover, and shame on you for feeling free to be so reckless about Valentino. And to His Fame Still Lives (or whatever the hell else you are calling yourself these days): time to give up the ghost of your Valentino/Daven fantasies. Perhaps it’s time you gave Ramon Navarro a look see.

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    1. 👆👏 And shame on Valentino's family members who allow Lieder, Bret, and Constable to get away with this fiction.

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    2. Well said. And shameful how "they" see themselves as "mainstream researchers". How ludicrous a claim when they deny all documents including the word of Valentino himself.

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    3. Why do they not show proof?

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    4. We are still waiting for David Bret to reveal the letters he claims to have in his possession that prove Daven and Valentino were having a great love affair. It's been a decade now, Mr. Bret. Tick tock...tick tock...

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    5. He has jumped from one so-called source to another since I began looking into his claims. It was first the "Unpublished Diaries of Rudolph Valentino" which turned out to be the Italian translation of My Private Diary. When that flopped he moved on to say the source was Robert Florey's serialized articles in French which we found and Renato translated. Nothing there. So then Bret moved on to his Daven letters. In 2003, Donna Hill told me that when it comes to proof that Rudy was gay, "Tracy (Terhune) has nothing." And when a reporter, in 2008, asked Terhune if he thought Valentino was gay, he hedged and would not go on record saying he was. Bret's frantic obsession is based in pure homophobia because he uses gay slurs to attack his critics. I have a long list of vicious lesbian slurs he has hurled my way over the years. It is just time for that kind of behavior and abuse to go.

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    6. Apparently he is the homophobe.

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    7. Some people still insist that Ramon and Rudy were lovers by holding on to the fact that Valentino was responsible for Novarros death. If they want that to be true then go look for the evidence themselves. I believe they do not want to because it will confirm once and for all that Rudy was not gay. Even Novarro strongly claimed that he barely knew the man.

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    8. The Ramon Novarro myth has been debunked many times, by Michael Morris in Madam Valentino, by the letter written to him from the prosecuting District Attorney which I have posted on this blog. It was debunked in Andre Soares book on Novarro after he interviewed Novarro's killers. It was a lie purported by Kenneth Anger. David Bret has carried that one for years ignoring all the documentation. Now it is just his sick phantasy.

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    9. Cannot recommend Andre Soares book on Novarro strongly enough. I believe it is the finest biography of a major figure from the silent film era that it has been my privilege to read. Very well researched and in an engaging style without resorting to speculation or fabrication in any way.

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    10. Andre Soares was a friend of Michael Morris and I had the privilege of exchanging some e-mails with him. Michael believed he and Andre's books were not so embraced by the silent film gay community because they both debunked the Valentino-Novarro relationship/death myth. In Soares' case of course no one disputed Novarro being gay, but he did dismiss the myth 100%.

      Michael wrote me about that situation and I will dig up those e-mails. It is an interesting discussion. To say Valentino was not gay guarantees you and your work will be labeled, “homophobic”. Sad that is the case but I would hope it is less of an issue now than it was. A person's truth should be respected whether it is Valentino or Novarro.

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    11. Do the silent life gay community still hold on to the belief that Valentino was responsible for Novarros death? Even if it has been dismissed time and again by researchers?

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    12. I have seen Valentino in the love scenes with women , sorry but he does not look repulsed by women. He looks like he is enjoying himself, kissing them passionately.Even in one scene Rudy was French kissing an actress, it was banned because it was too steamy. Facts are facts.

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    13. No one, not even the most salacious of writers has said Valentino was responsible for Novarro's death. Valentino died in 1926...Novarro in 1968. The scandalmonger Kenneth Anger alleged that Novarro was beaten by his murders with an imaginary lead "gift" that Valentino had given him back in the day which was pure fiction.

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    14. IIRC, in his blog, The Daven Affair, Sir Constable bases his claims of a Daven/Valentino affair on Jeanne De Recqueville's bio of Valentino. Like a few others in the VSC, he assumed that no one would ever read her book. That is, until Renato Floris translated it. Then another source bit the dust for these serial liars. .

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    15. That story comes from the poison pen of Kenneth Anger, an idol of David Bret. There is absolutely no evidence for it, but people love sensational books about Hollywood, even if they are full of crap.

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  2. Someone claims that they saw Valentino and Daven come out of a restaurant in Paris holding arms or hands, not sure

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    1. And we know who that "someone" is. But, nice try.

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    2. Not holding hands but walking arm in arm.

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  3. Twenty years from now no will believe that Valentino was gay.

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    1. The " insecure author " can beat on that same old rug time and again.

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    2. No one right now with a smidgen of gray matter believes Valentino was gay or bisexual. Truth trumps phantasy.

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    3. Yes. And imo a person's truth is sacred & not open to opinions and innuendo ridden contortions of their truth. I have always thought those who say Valentino was bisexual, such as Leider, are just pandering in the hopes of not being called homophobic as I have been about one million times.

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  4. Leider’s treatment of this subject in her book is nothing but utterly unsourced speculation. She has zero research to back up her claims. And the research she did conduct did not manage to turn up Cue, Ullman’s 1975 memoir or Valentino’s damning letter to Hebertot about Daven, among many other omissions. She also didn’t bother to read about Swanson’s abortion story, which starred Daven and cast a strong light on his character. It is perfectly clear that Leider nonetheless asserted Daven and Valentino had “a genuine love affair” to protect herself from the character assault that would surely have come her way otherwise.

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    1. I'm still waiting for Madam MAtB to address Leider's unsubstantiated rumors.

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  5. To 8:15 above... Ramon Novarro also was very good at acting passionate with female co-stars. In fact I would say better because he could be erotic, playful and sincere rather than one dimensional as Valentino often comes across. Still, at the end of the day it's acting for the camera in the case of both men.

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    1. True Novarro was a good actor but as Evelyn said Valentino had a vibe with women that they picked up.

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    2. Must be DB who wrote that.

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  6. Disagree strenuously that Navarro was an effective partner in passion with women onscreen. He has a eunuch vibe going on which renders him wholly unconvincing. There are reasons why women didn’t faint in the aisles at his films.

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    1. I 100% agree Novarro was not convincing. Sorry but he was the "one dimensional" character. They did not need to hire nurses to stand about in the theaters with smelling salts to revive anyone in Novarro's audiences.

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    2. I’m reminded of what the great Sophia Loren says in her autobiography of her cringe inducing onscreen pairing with Anthony Perkins: she said they had not merely zero chemistry, but “negative chemistry.” This would also be the formula at play between Ramon and his leading ladies.

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    3. That's right women fainted in the aisles when they saw Valentino on the screen. That kind of charisma and power cannot be duplicated , no matter how good an actor. Ramon Novarro was good but as someone quoted he was one dimensional.

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    4. Rudy was playful erotic and sincere, and he was not one dimensional as someone wrote.

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  7. He and Vilma Bansky had tremendous chemistry in The Son Of The Sheik and The Eagle. That cannot be faked.

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  8. Whoever you are 11: 55 nice try but it doesn't work.

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  9. It’s S.T. Constable. Mad as a hornet because female moviegoers of the 20s didn’t drop their drawers for Navarro. Ha!

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  10. I believe Sir Constable is mad as a hornet because he knows that Rudy loved women, that proves that he was not gay.

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    1. Well Simon Constable's fame precedes him. How sad someone's hate can become their recognizable signature.

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    2. “His Fame Still Lives” : this is literally what Constable calls himself online. Delusions of grandeur much?

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    3. Living in his own shallow and small world. Some people are smarter than him and that is why he steals from the Floris. He is an awful treating Renato the way he did. Renato and Evelyns books are good quality books , Sir Simon was publicly humiliated when the Floris' translated Jeanne Derecvilles Rudolph Valentino into English.

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    4. I actually think he has a very low opinion of Rudolph Valentino. Its shows.

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    5. They all use Valentino as a vehicle for other purposes: Hoarding and selling relics, lonely hearts wheedling attention on FB, the desire for praise over non-existent books, etc. There is no real interest in Valentino the person. This is the so-called Valentino Studies Community, folks.

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  11. “What Novarro lacks, in comparison to Valentino, is raw sex appeal.” Jeanine Basinger, “Silent Stars.” FYI Constable, Basinger is a widely published and respected film historian and academic. No amateur hour she.

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    1. Basinger is a go-to for silent film analysis. Case closed.

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