Friday, June 3, 2022

Cheers to the Linguists!

In my experience, unless someone lived, or lives, where they do not speak the language of the country, they seldom understand the complexities of that situation. In some instances, people lacking in this experience perceive someone's inability to speak a perfect version of said country's language as being stupidity. I think this has happened and happens too often with Valentino. 

It is a false statement that Valentino spoke no English when he arrived in America. Valentino wrote in a letter to his friend, (now probably lost forever to public access) how he liked to go down to the harbor in Taranto and practice his English with tourists. He also wrote during his time in school in Genoa, how he went four times a week to classes where he studied English and Spanish. Remarkably, children in Italy are taught English and French from very young ages and always have been. You can add Latin to that too.

When I first read Irving Schulman's Valentino biography, I was put off by his referring to Valentino's “pidgin English”. There is also an offensive device used by his detractors in the press; to write his accent out in an exaggerated and phonetic way.

The peevishness of anyone calling out grammatical infractions made by someone communicating in a foreign language merely to impugn says more about the critic than the person who dares to speak in a foreign language.

The trolls of the “Valentino Stalking this Blog Community” still to this day mock to demean Renato's English writings. It is, as Renato told me recently, as if someone performed a perfect aria and a critic mocked his suit. Petty, superficial people who only demonstrate with all their hearts how resentful they are of the multi-lingual.

Renato has contributed enormously with his translations of Valentino material. Instead of appreciation from the "Valentino Stalking of this Blog Community", he is mocked mercilessly about the grammatical imperfections which are very, very few.

I am sure this is why we noticed the intent behind Florey leaving in those errors Valentino made in French. This kind of behavior is only to diminish and distract from the content. 

Valentino is not to be considered someone who was unable to navigate his English speaking world. He was a talented linguist. And to the trolls, I might remind them it is content which is important and not syntax.

The comments left on the previous posts have been so intelligent and thought provoking and points well made about the difference between learned knowledge and intelligence. A glimpse as linguist Renato contemplates:


18 comments:

  1. And just what have these trolls contributed to their VCS? There are definitely intelligent comments on this blog. Have read Renatos work , so he made a few errors here and there, and the trolls jump on it. One has to read what we think about the VCS , showing what fools they make of themselves by writing dumbass remarks about false documents and dreaming about how a certain individualdreamt that she had children by a long dead silent screen star. Valentino was handsome , yes, he was, but he was more than that.And the Florist have done an excellent job in unveiling the true man. Florist wrote that Rudy whipped his dogs, true or not ? He was not perfect and he had a dark side . So I agree.The commentator is a very intelligent person and whoever it was, Bravo!

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    1. Robert Florey wrote Rudy whipped his dogs.

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    2. Yes, he did. Florey did write that Rudy whipped his dogs. Was it true or not? Personally I do not think so. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

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    3. I guess we take Florey's word for it. Or not.

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    4. I think Rudy made sure his dogs were well trained. During this training, he may have whipped the dogs on occasion. There are photos of him with a dog and there is a whip in his hand.

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    5. Yes, he perhaps whipped his dogs lightly just to get his point across. To train them of course.

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    6. Sorry, I meant to write that Florey wrote that Rudy whipped his dogs not the Floris',

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  2. Florey did not have good things to say about Rudy anyway.

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  3. This video may be Renato attempting to place an online order to Fazoli's. Linguine or spaghetti? How do you translate those to English?

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    1. To 8:32: Your racist slur directed to Renato, is the same type of racist comment made about Valentino. I posted this "dumbass" comment of the many you send from the "Valentino Stalking of this Blog Community" to make a point. How do you think Rudolph Valentino liked being the recipient of exactly these kinds of racist, xenophobic cracks? I am sure if Valentino were alive today, you would do the same to him.

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  4. Amerigo VespucciJune 3, 2022 at 9:14 PM

    It's very hypocritical for the Emcee and Grand Poobah of the Graveyard Side Show to mock the English of an Italian gentleman, considering said Poobah is obsessed with another Italian gentleman. Not only does he jeer at Mr. Floris' and, by extension, Valentino's accent, but he also encourages a little gnome of a porn author to do the same. Speaking of the devil, Jelly Beans above highlights his shallowness and stupidity with his Fazoli's reference. His alter ego may fool the moderators at MAtB, but we all know what kind of buffoonish stooge he really is.

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  5. Dear Jelly Beans, Renato has done only of what you can dream of. Write books.

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    1. And make money from his books.

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  6. To Jelly Beans , very stupid remark.

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  7. Ferdinand MagellanJune 4, 2022 at 2:44 AM

    Evelyn and Renato Floris are an intelligent refuge from the putrid dreams and fetishes of the Valentino fantasists over on the forums. To wit: Simon Constable, who earlier this year declared for the hundredth time that he was through substituting Facebook for living, posted an incredibly bizarre image of his plate of desiccated cooked fish juxtaposed with a photo of Valentino. The post was entitled “Always watching over me”. This self dramatizing weirdo who is the perpetual star of his own movie, would have us believe that Valentino’s sole purpose in the afterlife is to protect him and shadow his every move. Heck, Valentino is so staunch a shepherd that he finds a way to insure that his photo adorns the wall of a fish shack in the bowels of Liverpool because he knows that Simon Constable is a patron. To believe this is one thing, but to post about it on a forum of strangers??

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    1. That's complete Looney Tunes. 🐷🥴👆

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    2. I agree! That is rather odd that S. C would post that.

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    3. Ya think? Seems pretty typical to me.

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