Tuesday, May 17, 2022

I Pose a Question

In the introduction to Affairs Valentino, Rudolph Valentino's cousin, Chicca Guglielmi Morone writes the following which I share because I found it interesting in regards to the last few months of Valentino's life:

"The ease with which he (Valentino) passed from one screen character to another, the ability to immerse himself into his disparate acting personalities, was always dominated by an absolute love. His successes, which were often followed by serious practical problems, gave him a life of highs and lows rendering it difficult for him to ever maintain a total equilibrium."

With this in mind, I pose a general question to readers: 

What do you think contributed to making Rudolph Valentino such an enduring icon? 


47 comments:

  1. Interesting question for sure!
    I'll start with what will probably be an unpopular opinion. I think it would be more accurate to call Valentino a "caricature" rather than an "icon". James Dean is an icon. Marilyn Monroe is an icon. Rudy? Not so much.
    If anyone today outside of his dwindling base knows anything about him, it's the image of "The Sheik". This image is so far removed from our culture that it no longer connects with modern audiences. In fact, I would submit that with coming of talkies and certainly well into the 1930's, he was all but forgotten....replaced by the likes of Clark Gable, James Cagney, Errol Flynn, Tyrone Power, etc. etc.. IF his films were revived, it would be in butchered prints with tacky musical accompaniment. Ten years on from his death, he seemed a mere curio as a distant age. Outside of his Sheik costume, he may be virtually unrecognizable today.
    With the coming of the crypt ceremonies that endure to this day, I would say it's more of the same.... Valentino as a quaint caricature of a murky, very much bygone era.

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    1. I do not see your response/opinion as "unpopular" but as uninformed. There is not one year when Valentino was not receiving a great deal of press, continued and devoted fascination and interest. His fan base has never dwindled and he is one of the most recognizable icons of our time. Year after year, fan clubs, memorial guilds, showings of his movies, international conferences in his honor and books about the man carry on one of the most incredible legacies of any icons. His fan base is also an international one and you are ill-informed as to his actual history. He is not "unrecognizable" or a "quaint caricature". Both of those adjectives make me wonder why you are even reading this blog. And I would also ask if Valentino is so unrecognizable and insignificant why do you and your fellow members of the VSC/cult, spend so much time trolling us and doing all you can to bury the truth about Valentino? I think your very presence here and your opinion suggest the opposite is the case and Valentino, to you and yours, holds a great deal of importance. I suggest you go on any newspaper or fan magazine archive and begin with 1926, searching year by year, and you will see I am correct. Rudolph Valentino is an icon of the highest order. I asked what made Valentino an icon not was he an icon.

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    2. Do not agree with 6:58 , I believe Rudy is very much an icon. This commentator definitely has a low opinion of Valentino. You cannot mention the 1920s without mentioning Valentino.

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    3. Simon Constable?

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    4. Ms. Zumaya, recommending Comment 6:58 actually do some research is a waste of time. Why should he start now?

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  2. Love the way she wrote it,so professional and eloquent.

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  3. Unmistakable charisma and animal magnetism is timeless.

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  4. Icons represent moments in time, historical eras, and particular decades. Valentino is a major icon of the Roaring Twenties. Even in college textbooks, the chapter on the 1920s will inevitably have a photo of Valentino, along with flag pole sitters, flappers, Lindbergh, and Babe Ruth. Besides possessing what 7:55 said - charisma and magnetism - I think one of the reasons that contributes to a certain icon's legacy is an untimely death. A famous person who dies suddenly at a relatively young age is frozen in time forever. Would Valentino be the luminous image of the 1920s today if he had lived to be 80 years old? Perhaps not. I certainly don't think Marilyn Monroe would be idolized as she is now if she had died a senior citizen.
    It's an interesting question.

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  5. Nice try 6:58. No doubt, for the upteenth time it is none other than the redundant Simon Constable, straining to be provocative and relevant. It must have been quite taxing for you to craft your post M’Lord, knowing how toe curlingly delicious you believe Valentino to be. I do agree with you however, that the Valentino fan base is nowhere near as robust as the crypt keepers and forum fantasists would like to believe. Oh and by the way, James Dean is a flaccid, appalling caricature, and Monroe a repellent one.

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    1. I would like to challenge Lord HFSL Constable to post the comment above on his mother ship, MAtB, along with all those blockbusting blogs that were promised but never delivered.

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  6. Valentino is the ultimate icon. The icon's icon. His picture is beside the word icon in the dictionary.

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  7. Ms. Guglielmi is utterly correct: Valentino was “dominated by an absolute love.” An absolute love of women which manifested at an astonishingly early age and gained momentum exponentially from there. This is plain to see in all of his screen performances. His eyes are perpetually trained upon the women he is paired with, even if he is viewing them from a distance or in the midst of a crowded room. The inexorable force with which he tunes out everything but women is astonishing to behold, as is the intensity with which he loves and near devours his female partners onscreen. This was Valentino being his authentic self, as it is impossible to perform adoration of this order. Think of his eyes literally rolling back into his head as he runs up the length of Vilma Banky’s arm with his lips (a movement no director could have suggested to him, let alone envisioned). Valentino’s sensuality and elevation of women are two of the three reasons he is an immortal icon. The third, of course, is the classicism of his hauntingly beautiful face and body. His face would “pop” as extraordinary and modern in any sea of faces in any decade, in any corner of the globe.

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  8. I think Comment 8:51 has rendered all of us speechless. Bravo!

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  9. Does Ms Zumaya realize that when so-called responders are "giving the finger" that we know is obviously her because a regular responder doesn't have the option for that illustration of "giving the finger" or any other image?

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    1. I only comment under my own name and to post an emoji you can copy/paste it from another document or site. Its that easy. 👌🌹🍾 I copy/pasted those from my Facebook page. The readers who comment here are not "so-called". They are all real folks with something positive and valuable to add.

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    2. Supreme User of EmojisMay 18, 2022 at 12:55 AM

      Dear Moron 11:21 - Google how to post an emoji. 🥴

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    3. Comment 11:21, 👈 is 🥜

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    4. 11:21. That makes absolutely no sense whatsover. Why do you even read her blog if you have that much contempt?

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    5. Bobby Ewing's Shower CurtainMay 19, 2022 at 3:06 AM

      It's a really needy person that goes on another's blog with an arrogant attempt to school, but ends up highlighting his/her own ignorance and stupidity.

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    6. For every one of these "contempt" comments I do post, there are 10 + more that day which I don't post. The "awaiting moderation" file has almost 600 of these comments now.

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    7. You have to wonder how empty someone's life has to be to spend day after day feverishly monitoring someone's blog and sending lame comments to the blogger, knowing those comments are devoid of interesting content, intelligent observations, or any sort of wit at all.

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    8. Well 4:22, they are earning their stripes and pleasing the leader. Perhaps they will get a front row seat at the crypt bash or get to wear Valentino's ring for a few seconds.

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    9. This is why the greater Valentino studies community feels so strongly about not engaging here.

      It's very mean spirited when someone attempts to share their thoughts.

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    10. There is no such thing as the "greater Valentino studies community", that is a code word for the campaign to suppress the truth about Valentino and ruin Renato and I. Secondly, I, we, have been bullied and abused and defamed in public and behind our backs for a decade without cessation. In cruel and heinous ways which include but are not exclusive to mocking my father's death, calling me a drug addict, calling me homophobic a million times, writing for years about our deaths... and all of this and worse continues to this day. You mistake my defense of our good names and my fury at the disgusting behavior of the "studies community" towards us for "mean-spirited" Nope not at all. Anyone would be furious with what goes on. You do not share thoughts, you share snark, slander, cruel insults and let me graciously explain that you are not welcome here at all. Comments like yours stand as monuments proving I am right because your screaming contempt validates my definitions of what you do. How is it possible that you missed what has been done in Valentino's name to conduct your massive defamation of us? Enough is enough. "Valentino Studies Community Gaslighters and Defamers" are not welcome here.

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    11. Mums In a Trailer ParkMay 19, 2022 at 5:27 AM

      4:45 - If the "Greater Valentino Studies Community" doesn't want to engage here, then why are you engaging here? The quartet that makes up the GVSC isn't exactly known for their its gray matter, is it?

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    12. I guess they are just trying to do their hater job here.

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    13. It's really hard to hear all that, Ms Zumaya. Just ignore the haters!

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    14. They are like a little gang of children throwing stones at someone's window. Finding some glee in being bad. All in all a sad and boring life I think. They must be very unloved to act out like that.

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    15. I tend to not ignore defamation of us and our work by anyone. Criticism and debate are welcome but not defamation. It is frowned on by the law.

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    16. I can certainly understand why they are unloved.

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  10. Res Ipsa LoquitorMay 17, 2022 at 11:46 PM

    Poster at 11:21 PM, oh please do find a more productive use of your time, and if you can’t then kindly f#@k off!

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    1. This is a blog 11: 21 take your hate somewhere else. Really do not care about what you think at all.

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  11. To any trolls on here trying to ruin the good vibrations all I can say is 🤌🏼

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  12. I think the point of 11:21 PM’s post was to deflect from the interesting exchanges which were taking place here about Valentino as an icon. This individual is sadly made very uncomfortable when he/she feels overmatched, ignored and out of his/her depth. All they know how to do to assuage their inadequacy is to throw a grenade.

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  13. I am impressed by Chicca Morone's penetrative statement. I think she was correct.

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  14. Let's not be distracted by the " others" who are trying to sound professional. All they want to do is close this blog, they will not succeed.

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  15. I think it's mostly his "other dimension" that MAE Murray talked about that makes him sp unique. He hâd that "je ne sais quoi", that "star Power" that only a few hâd : Greta Garbo, James Dean, etc. He was a beautiful, handsome man of course and he had a timeless beauty I would say, but he was not superficial about important matters în life. He hâd his faults of course, but dont we all have them? I would definitely put him în the same category as James Dean, Gary Cooper, Marilyn Monroe, etc. The only thing that explains why he isnt as well known as them îs because he played în silent movies and most People dont watch these movies. Anyhow, he was the original super star, The Latin Lover loved by many and rightfully so


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  16. I think most people would recognize Rudolph Valentino, even if they have never seen one of his films. His name is iconic and still used as a measure to gauge how romantic a man can be. All my life I have heard, "He's no Valentino!" or "Who does he think he is, Valentino?"

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    1. My favorite mention is in a Simpson's episode where Mr. Burns tells a woman he will make her "forget all about Rudolph Valentino." So funny.

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    2. “This is why the greater Valentino studies community feels so strongly about not engaging here.” 4:45, this assertion is plainly false. The GVSC is battering down Zumaya’s door, begging for entry, as the backlog of your 600+ ignored comments illustrates. I would love not hearing from you at all on this blog. You need to actually walk the walk and stay away, which is what you claim to be committed to doing.

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    3. I think by sending in that comment at 4:45, they admitted the opposite. Like someone screaming, "I'm not yelling!" Indeed why engage but to keep trying to wear me down with their idiotic annoyance. Sad lifestyle I think.

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  17. I started to do some research on Rudy because I was curious as to why women of the twenties were so obsessed with him. During my research I was caught under his spell and have no question why he is an icon.

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